Image Comics Board of Director’s member, Image Comics co-founder, and the creator of Savage Dragon Erik Larsen is responding to the controversy surrounding Michelle Perez and her wish to see Marine veteran and comic book critic Richard Meyer be killed by an IED. Meyer runs the YouTube channel Diversity & Comics.
Larsen’s initial reaction was to explain Perez’s wish for Meyer to be killed is part of freedom of speech, “I can’t control what other people say or do anymore than they can control what I say or do. It’s just words, man. Nobody was hurt. That’s the freedom of speech in action. None of us have to like it.”
I can't control what other people say or do anymore than they can control what I say or do. It's just words, man. Nobody was hurt. That's the freedom of speech in action. None of us have to like it.
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 23, 2018
When pressured on the subject he elaborated, “What would you have me do? There are all sorts of creators saying all sorts of things I disagree with. And I’m sure you’ve said things I’ve disagreed with. Everybody does not walk in lockstep. We don’t all agree with each other.”
What would you have me do? There are all sorts of creators saying all sorts of things I disagree with. And I'm sure you've said things I've disagreed with. Everybody does not walk in lockstep. We don't all agree with each other.
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 23, 2018
He then went on to compare Perez’s comments about wishing Meyer dead and celebrating the death of conservative and Christian icons like Billy Graham, Ronald Reagan, and Anthony Scalia to people who shouted “Kill Obama” at Trump’s acceptance speech.
Yeah but people wished Obama was dead–Some jackass yelled out "Kill Obama" during Trump's acceptance speech! People say stupid shit. There's no stopping that. That's why there are disclaimers before audio commentaries. People say stupid shit.
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 23, 2018
A number of people disagreed with Larsen’s assessment of Perez’s statements.
Never thought I'd hear u espouse https://t.co/TteFfTrPYT sure u've read all the comments, yet still need to ask what you should do about it?I'm not GOP leaning & value freedom of speech.But i am a veteran and if this hate speech rhetoric goes unchecked, im out #boycottimagecomics pic.twitter.com/gRJpuzVybd
— Philsbackpack (@Philsbackpack) February 24, 2018
Come on man..this isn't about individuals saying stupid shit…this is about somebody employed by image..who represents image..saying these things. You've been skating around that in every comment.
— Evan Lorts (@Elorts) February 23, 2018
That's a false equivalence. We're talking about someone who represents @ImageComics directly attacking and wishing death on someone. Totally different than some nobody shouting in the background, and you know it.
— Mark Middleton (@markandrew_) February 23, 2018
Cool. Glad you have sociopaths working for you.
— Big Jet (@PRIVATEGREY) February 23, 2018
This is an incredibly obvious strawman. A person in your company openly said she wished a vet had died horribly.
And your counter to that is reminding us that people say bad things on other contexts, too? No. This context should matter to you.— Jarus (@thefrostbite) February 23, 2018
Diversity & Comics would vociferously disagree.
A guy said KILL OBAMA and you're still obsessing about it 2 years later.
You put it in your comic.
Someone at THE COMPANY YOU CO-CREATED just said she wished I died by IED and that's "just words." https://t.co/QBQA1h2vkh
— Diversity & Comics (@DiversityAndCmx) February 23, 2018
Larsen would respond, “It’s ALL just words. People talk shit all the time! The left wants Trump dead and the right wants Obama and Hillary dead.”
It's ALL just words. People talk shit all the time! The left wants Trump dead and the right wants Obama and Hillary dead.
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 23, 2018
Larsen would also explain he doesn’t perceive Michelle Perez’s wish for Meyer to be killed by an IED a threat.
Threat? No. Regret? Absolutely. But that's not a threat. If I said to somebody "It's too bad that bus didn't run into you last week" I'm not threatening them. There's no intent to do bodily harm–it's regret that bodily harm hadn't already occurred.
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
He would later add, “If you don’t like what somebody said–don’t buy their book. If I don’t agree with Bill Clinton I don’t yell at the CFO at Knopf Publishing Group–I just don’t buy his book.”
If you don't like what somebody said–don't buy their book. If I don't agree with Bill Clinton I don't yell at the CFO at Knopf Publishing Group–I just don't buy his book. https://t.co/ChX9Di1oNa
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
He also pointed out there are a number of creators on all sides of the political spectrums at Image Comics.
“I can’t say that I’ve gone down that rabbit hole. But there are creators on all sides of the political spectrum at @ImageComics. I probably don’t condone a lot of things people have said.”
I can't say that I've gone down that rabbit hole. But there are creators on all sides of the political spectrum at @ImageComics. I probably don't condone a lot of things people have said.
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
However, Diversity & Comics wasn’t buying it and asked him to name the conservative or Republican creators at Image.
Can you name the conservative or Republican creators at Image? https://t.co/vMfETaTzcg
— Diversity & Comics (@DiversityAndCmx) February 24, 2018
Larsen responded that it was not his place to “out” them.
“I don’t think it’s my place to “out” anybody. I know of several but it’s not my place to drag them into the spotlight. That’s on them if they want to step forward.”
I don't think it's my place to "out" anybody. I know of several but it's not my place to drag them into the spotlight. That's on them if they want to step forward.
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
He would add,
“No, no–not at all. It’s just that many creators don’t want to get dragged into political squabbles on Twitter. They’d rather talk about their work. And that goes for creators on both sides of the aisle. They just don’t want to engage in that way.”
No, no–not at all. It's just that many creators don't want to get dragged into political squabbles on Twitter. They'd rather talk about their work. And that goes for creators on both sides of the aisle. They just don't want to engage in that way. https://t.co/xqCZTcDXXL
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
Erik Larsen would be accused he was insinuating the conservative or Republican creators were hiding out of fear.
He would explain his use of the term “out.”
“Not at all. Most people DON’T talk politics in public forums. Most creators don’t either. This sort of thing has traditionally been considered a private matter.”
Not at all. Most people DON'T talk politics in public forums. Most creators don't either. This sort of thing has traditionally been considered a private matter. https://t.co/jj8e0HY5iA
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
Larsen would continue the conversation and was even praised for being so candid.
Hat’s off to you, Erik. You’re handling this with more grace and patience than most of us would be capable of. BTW, it’s funny how people keep calling her your employee and telling you to fire her, like that’s his Image works.
— Greg Althoff (@gregalthoff) February 24, 2018
Pretty much any company that takes a public stance will have people on both sides making decisions. Supporters will support and opponents will oppose. https://t.co/CAH0XHdITQ
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
Absolutely. A lot of liberal creators don't state political party affiliations either. People on both sides of the aisle buy comic books. And there's no simple division. Liberal writers work with conservative artists and vice versa. https://t.co/rSKHByKvB9
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
There are many creators whose politics I strongly disagree with whose work I support. I can't think of a creator whose work I stopped buying because of their views. https://t.co/h8PeK80tjd
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
We are exclusively distributed through Diamond, which is owned and operated by a vocal Trump supporter. Every comic book I purchase contributes to the cause.
And also–yeah. The work is what matters to me–not the politics. https://t.co/C4GnMg98cj
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
This kind of sentiment ENCOURAGES discrimination. If every creator "represents Image" and speaks for Image–why publish creators whose views we don't agree with? https://t.co/vtKBkMjPN1
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
We actually SEEK OUT creators who have a unique voice. We don't want everybody saying the same thing. Where's the fun in that?
— Erik Larsen (@ErikJLarsen) February 24, 2018
Larsen would eventually admit that Perez’s remark was messed up.
I would also like to commend Erik Larsen on handling this situation with patience. However, I do think Image Comics should make a public statement surrounding Michelle Perez. They should condemn the behavior as Larsen does, but also defend her right to say what she believes. I do not think wishing Meyer died in an IED attempt is an actual threat against him. It’s certainly disgusting and absolutely repulsive.
However, it appears Erik Larsen and Image Comics will not issue a statement regarding Perez’s sickening comments. This is unfortunate because Image Comics recently pulled Howard Chaykin’s cover to the Divided States of America last Summer because people found it offensive. In fact, that action has inspired at least one comic journalist to accuse Chaykin of being “transphobic” and a “racist.”
If Image Comics does not make a statement here about Perez’s actions, it can easily be seen as the company picking sides from a political perspective. They ceded to the people deeming Chaykin’s artwork to be offensive, but will not do the same when the writer of the book they are publishing wishes a horrific death upon a Marine veteran and comic book critic. Not to mention she celebrated the deaths of a number of other conservative cultural icons and even wished they could come back to life only to die again.
Unfortunately, at this point they appear to be in favor of certain speech over others.